KDE 2 was better looking, still good. And every time, someone's written a tool to emulate the previous version. In fact, if one is going to take the lid off one's own C++ application in a major way, retargetting it to VCL looks like a pretty good idea. Whatever shall we do? The developers need taking outside. I have had this issue for a while now, why are these apps not complying with my theme? My principle complaints are lack of a real Delete key and dubious discoverability. It can also be accessed through the right-click menu when trying to change the background. It is a BAD trend, and has been since Gnome 3 as far as i can tell (when it seems to have begun). GTK4 broken? I remember a few years ago Ruby on Rails was popular. You probably dislike the 'creatives' that produce them, with their pretty clothes and silly fashions and ladies that follow them around. For a mere app-switcher, I want that stacked vertically, but with the contents still arranged horizontally in rows. The solution: Restrain creative urges. But in Linux graphics toolkits there isn't an worthwhile goal yet to be achieved. We have nearly exhausted our own creative abilities in UI. You said it. GNOME = Gaaah, Needlessly Obtuse Mindf*ck Environment, -> now there's very little you can do about it. Yes, Linux certainly encourages a strict demarcation between user and system administration - this makes perfect sense from a security perspective (especially on multi-user systems), and protects the user from accidentally breaking things. gnome 42 alpha is here and on the surface it looks absolutely amazing bit once you start opening more and more apps that are supposed to be native it will be a mess of modern looking libadwaita apps and legacy feeling gtk 3 apps , just like in windows , and that's kinda awful , i wish i could fix that by creating a gtk 3 theme that makes the old Mint, which I use, is Windows XP design based and ugly as hell. Link: https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/something_for_the_weekend/. You know Windows also has an Administrator privilege level, and that Windows system administration is probably on the same level of "difficulty" as Linux, right? GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop, and not everyone agrees with that hence forks like MATE came along which went their own way from GNOME and is my personal choice for a DE. nautilus version is 42 but i found inconsistency in Press J to jump to the feed. Ubuntu: GNOME - Chrome contextual menu colors inconsistent with current themeHelpful? Settled on Fluxbox almost two decades ago, and never found a reason to change (okay, occasionally XFCE to access some odd config UI). But, after the disaster that moving to KDE4 (pre .5) entailed, the UI has improved. where X can be ALMOST ANYTHING you used to use in GTK3!! Microsoft used to be bloody amazing at this - from my first encounters with 3.1 all the way through to 7, there was always a natively provided way to tweak the UI just the way I liked it. instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience, Q: "How many people from Silicon Valley does it take to change a light bulb? As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. It's things like this that practically guarantee Microsoft and Apple will continue to mint $billions out of proprietary desktops for the foreseeable future. Both the system and the emergence of more and more applications that didn't conform to HID guidelines. Just because the Gnome developers can't be bothered to get it right doesn't mean someone else can't. (and elements containing icons) This caused toolbars in ported apps to spill over into ellipsized menus (the or >> at the end of the icon row). (And I really can't recall any program which failed to inform me if it required admin privileges to do what I expected it to do.). Microsoft have dicked around with the Start Menu in every single version since they introduced it in Win95. . If all that systemd did was to offer another init alternative then I don't think there would be such a backlash against it. (Worthy of mention, Devuan to eliminate systemd for Linux, and the BSDs as well). From the article, regarding libadwaita: "The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines", (or that's how I imagine their arrogantly top-down 2D FLATSO UI design tyranny to have become this way). I would be pretty much fine with a desktop that looked like that today - although yes, I'd definitely want a bigger screen - but stylistically it's an improvement over a _lot_ of modern desktops. I run it on a tiny FreeBSD VM as part of my VNC setup. A lot of new design comes from AI. It is, arguably, pointless." It has, however, saved money (if you think Tesla uses touchscreens because theyre cool, you should look at the costs of designing and making physical control buttons sometime). Ubuntu: GNOME - Chrome contextual menu colors inconsistent with current themeHelpful? The overall effect is that we've gone nowhere, or backwards. Checkout Smartproxy here: https://smartproxy.com/?utm_source=TechHut&utm_medium=Influencer&utm_campaign=spromoGNOME 42 is going to be another major upgrade. i rest my case on that one). Agree completely, Linux UI is kitchen sink. You can always fork it to GNG -> Gng's not Gnome. The styling is a mixture: GEdit's top corners are less rounded and its bottom corners are square. That anecdote is a metaphor for Linux on the desktop. THAT!!!). View GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. Don't get me wrong, I too love it when stuff is pleasing to my no doubt very personal eyes. This embeds the formerly separate Adwaita theme, effectively enforcing it across all apps that use Gtk 4. They just use the kernels VCs. this also applies to websites: microscopic light grey text on a slightly lighter grey background, with text columns six hundred words wide, helps no-one. And as for theming - Linux and FOSS was always about choice and giving power to users. and our Is the screen shield from gdm without a user logged in being generated from a different theme? Gtk CSS elements were added, removed, changed and every existing theme relying on a changed element broke. But it's there. On a widescreen monitor, for me, the wasted space of a horizontal panel has to be put to very good use to be worthwhile. (NOBODY *COMPELS* ME - I *REBEL* INSTEAD!). Perhaps, now, looking back from Plasma it did have some horrible inconsistencies and misfires but they were not (from my perspective) as bad as what was occurring in gnome. Gnome 42 and theming. Firefox originally took great pains to follow the OS' theme then the UXers took over the asylum. Menwhile, MATE just looks and behaves the same as it always has. Now that's brilliant with regard to screen real estate efficiency, right? What was one of the most popular and well liked UI toolkits in Gtk+2, has literally been reduced to a Gnome-only support library. I must say a perfect Halloween theme, and you can download it from here. GNOME 42 has arrived! ", A: "Three, One to change the bulb, and 2 to 'share in the experience'. UI is strictly speaking a branch of ergonomics, and the people I know of who did it for a living are serious engineering types. Remember me on this computer? For instance, the global menu bar in macOS or Unity. Enjoy your 'customer base' of fanatics. I feel I must give an honorable mention to twm, (Still on Fluxbox to this day. -> And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. (Can't say the same about mictosoft.). A *BRILLIANT* collection of links. Ant. 2022-05-25_12-59 15101420 148 KB. It all boils down to poor decisions made in the direction the desktops would take (and in Gnome's case, the Gtk toolkit as well). Whereas twenty years ago a single 17 inch monitor was the norm, and 30 inch the practical limit, now that norm is 24 inches, and the maximum can be multiple 35-inch displays. KDE3 was ugly as sin, but it did just work. Along with Gtk 4 came a new library called libadwaita. System-wide accent colors are being discussed and looked at, but there are design related concerns about them, so it's possible that they will never land. Thanks! View GNOME 42.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Windows Phone gets a lot of blame for this, but its misplaced. Re-read my post. Gnome. It's also notable that LibreOffice, a major example of a large application suite, makes sure it doesn't have such dependencies. They have made the same mistake that Apple made with iOS7 when they tried to copy Windows Phones minimalist UI - they went too far, and simply removed all the button-borders and other visual signifiers from their UI without providing anything else in their place. Talking of which, what is the obsession with disappearing and/or near invisible scroll bars. Windows has done that since the late betas of Win95. It's like people went out of the way to deliberately waste screen real-estate while simultaneously making it harder and harder each iteration to determine what is and is not a button. SAID! In the context of KDE 4, yes, that seems entirely understandable to me. Apple Cocoa has been stable for a long time also. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. And give users the choice of how to configure THEIR user environment to THEIR preferences and requirements, don't ever dare to presume that just because your job title is "UI Designer", you know better than the people using your creation how good their ability is to cope with the defaults you've chosen. And if they aren't, well, then they probably have just as much time to waste as those visionary GUI designers to repair things (install, distro hop, adapt CSS, what ever). Use high contrast color pairs -- black on white, yellow on black. I'm only old, not blind, and I'd sit here clicking up votes for the next 20 minutes if they allowed that. I was able to remove the clock from the screen shield by updating the theme to use a font size of zero, but the screen shield when there are no users logged in still has the clock overlay. The screenshot above shows the difference. This means that the file manager doesn't match the new look and feel, and if you attempt to customize it, the mismatch will get worse. But not get any further ahead. In the past with Gtk+2 there were literally hundreds, if not thousands of great Gtk+2 themes providing gtk+2, metacity and xfwm4 theming. So "they" must TAKE CHOICE AWAY, "for our own good". The API could also generate contrasting or complementary colours as needed based on the user choice of primary colour, or pick from the background image etc. For the entire 8+ years of Gtk+3 development, every new minor version broke compatibility with the prior minor version sending theme developers running like lemmings over a cliff. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. The result? , The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. GNOME 42's new look isn't just an easy-to-change theme. The sad part is there is no way to correct, fix, reverse, or undo more than a decade worth of wrong direction in a desktop and toolkit -- other than find a replacement. You can find the option to switch the theme in the system settings under the appearance menu. Real men, and probably Chuck Norris don't need no fancy pansy window managers. Hence why we're now having pretty much the same anguished debate over how crap this latest iteration of a Linux UI is as we've had in the past with Windows, and which without any shadow of doubt we'll have about some other modern UI if el Reg run an article on it. KDE is the easiest interface I've found to keep MeDearOldMum, Great Aunt and the Wife happy, so I use it myself for most mundane day to day tasks, just to keep my reflexes in shape. That's true of computers too, I suppose, but the results are usually less dire. It's a clever-sounding idea that can be adequately implemented but no one knows why. Even if a development team were motivated to take the lid of their application and update it, these days there's a serious question. And GTK4 is not backward compatible with GTK3. There are at least 6 other WM's out there that I can think of OTTOMH. Bueller? Now I am going to switch to KDE. I'm pretty sure that is why material that is readable and cool on the creator's display may be garish (OK but jarring) or hard to read (not so OK) for many viewers. I can not think of a single person who switched from XP to Linux because of theming. UI controls also need to be larger, but for a different reason. First off, the limiting factor for information density on any interactive display is the human operator. . It's precisely because a very small number of people do just that that the mess you describe has arisen. If Wayland (and Weston) can give us a slicker, smaller, more focused display controller, I think that would be a win. Blackbox, XFCE and such were popular alternatives even then. I blame Apple for a lot of this stupidity but they aren't the only one responsible for the current mess. This preview shows page 1 out of 1 page. Most people will always just stick with whatever OS shipped with the hardware (or whatever they are obliged to use at work/school/college) - and why shouldn't they, if what they get works? A proper Dark Style setting will likely also be implement by then. 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This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. XFCE on some systems, Openbox on others - depending on what they are used for. And making the display itself bigger also comes with a penalty. I detest this stupidity that is present on macOS too. Things like Web or Electron might be seen as technologically shite, but they're shite with a wider potential user base. I'm in your xfce camp, but there too this silliness is trickling through. GTK4 is also slow as dog shit with heavy resource usage. Not sure if this is good design or just copycat game. Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME theme was Adwaita, and it was easy to install new ones, and there were lots to choose from. And FFS stop changing things just for the sake of change. GNOME 42 will also be the default in Fedora 36, though Fedora doesn't have LTS versions. At top left is the new Text Editor app, complete with heavily rounded window corners and flat, borderless control buttons. This has, and from what I can tell, continue in Gtk4 (hopefully to a lesser degree), This article states that there are many themes to choose from and they are easily changed -- true only if you lower your expectations of what a theme can provide. It's saying that, if you choose to ride this bandwagon, there's a ton of work, it might be hard, it might not work, and it might change yet again (contrary to other assurances that, with GTK4, stability is a goal). Which of the following, The R&D department of an automobile manufacturer has purchased powerful workstations to run power-intensive engineering applications. Boo-hoo-hoo. On top of which one suspects that Red, Green and Blue vary a bit in shade from device to device. Even if you do not care about flatness, even if you need strong specs to see the shape of those "all important corners", you do get hindered making your humble pay if some GUI designer with too much time on her/ his hands starts moving and hiding essential functions and elements. It is the hottest topic of the century. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes. It's now getting to be viable to fulfill all of one's Linux GUI application needs using Windows Subsystem for Linux. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It's the perfect theme for Linux Desktops that want to maintain a clean look with minor changes. GNOME 42, on the other hand, decided to implement freedesktop color scheme standard to deal with dark and light modes, and it is all embedded in this in-house new library called libadwaita . This is already causing rumblings of discontent. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Never dictate the desktop theme. But surely then MacOS or iOS does the job? That means a lot of people will be looking at, GNOME 42 will also be the default in Fedora 36, though Fedora doesn't have LTS, versions. Properly designing "creatives" is a nearly impossible task. elementary UX architect Cassidy James Blaede did a good write-up about this, please read it if you haven't yet (or watch his GUADEC talk if you prefer a video). GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes The screenshot above shows the And that you do not need admin privileges to do basic user tasks such as backups on Linux? There are no panaceas out there. What should you use? to the short-term support channel, which may not be viable for everyone. Bring back 3d borders. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. out of all the possible good looking themes available why adwita is chosen to be the default for the general look . GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. UX/UI is very very difficult. So old-fashioned. They've removed a bunch of information from the new one that's right there in the old one - and that's still _shit_ compared to basically any app of the "pre modern ui" era where there would still be a "File Edit View Help" menubar at the top with _all_ the controls in rather than hiding them in a little burger button where it now takes 6 clicks drilling through sub-menus to find anything. No frills, fast, minimal resource usage, stable, easily configurable, stays out of the way, just works. It all too often quietly ignores all or part of commands unless one simply ignores the "rules" and runs everything as root. I bet none that said they hated it can do it. The desktop and the community has suffered as a result of the toolkit changes and the current dearth of community involvement and development with Gtk4. Tokyo Night Gnome Shell ThemeTokyo Night is a GTK theme based on the Gruvbox Material VSCode and Graphite theme by @VinceLiuice and part of the 'Code Editors Colours for GTK' series.Themes for the GNOME Shell with the Tokyo Night colour palette.There are two types of themes you can choose from,. Some apps with inconsistent theming in Gnome 41. Just installed an Openbox based fork of Manjaro (Mabox if anyone wants to know).. Create a new account How many users know that selecting unreadable text areas (if one can figure out how) may convert an unreadable blur into a readable color combination when the text is highlighted? KDE 1 was fine for that time. Nothing to do with Gnome 42 update which breaks themes. I haven't really tried it except to verify it does some basic commands. Well gee, thanks for making it fast, but it's totally pointless if no one's software can use that without major rework. That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. Gosh, some apps are flatter than others? Its simplicity is what makes it so stunning. A more refined GNOME experience. I thought that the whole point of Wayland was to be a lot simpler and niftier than X.org by removing a lot of the unuseful cruft. QT? Just image the sheer volume of people working on UI - not just the designers but all you users, testing, feeding back, etc. They do and are classy, but still naff. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. Now that has changed. (It's still around and still pushing releases, but nobody cares.) Oh, and by the way, I agree with you about KDE4 and was so glad when I came across MATE so I could have a desktop that got out of my way and let me get on with the real purpose of my PC, doing stuff. So it doesn't ape mictosoft's earth shattering, never before done, be all to end all windows layout. As long as it does what it's supposed to do, bid deal. Another reason is the constant reinvention, the constant rebuilding in whatever programming language is topical, of things which should by now be stable. Whitesur theme for GNOME. Don't want to even think of the time I've wasted trying to turn that bloody "feature" off. Just either give me something good enough to use without wincing every time, or offer me a way to change it *easily*. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Surprisingly also down to the titlebar color. No, you almost certainly can't, although you may. If the GNOME-using members of the Red Hat community don't like, the look of 42, they won't have to put up with it for long, but Ubuntu users must, or switch. KDE/Plasma has been through the same growing pains since KDE 4.0.4a was unceremoniously forced on openSuSE users as the default desktop for the 11.0 release in May 2008 -- it hasn't recovered since. I don't understand why anyone would inflict Gnome on himself. Good news, everyone! What used to be included in a theme is no more. The Linux desktop I had back in 2003 (early KDE) was very pretty: easily themeable, nice 3D effects, usable and powerful. Many years ago, I realised that I didn't know what a "desktop environment" was useful for. The windows which are not in focus have a dim titlebar. So, to do that, open up a terminal and run the following commands. (To each his own and good luck if you find what you use now fully cromulent). So I suppose we should not be too smug. Even the lines in the sickeningly ubiquitous hamburger seem to be getting finer and finer. Rule No.1. On the Which type of installation do you want screen, she chooses the Custom: Install Windows. Always has been. Yup.GNOME!!! But at least I have sense enough not to inflict my preferences on other people. All rights reserved 19982022, Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon, Kernel devs offer emperor penguin early gifts of code for version 6.2, 'Experimental operating system' it may be, but it's still Unix/Linux-like, Tumbleweed rolling-release distro to need v2 of x86-64 and drop x86-32 edition, 4.18 the first update of lightweight, minimalist UNIX gear since 2020, Latest offshoot of Illumos project continues development of FOSS version of Solaris. With an invite like that, do you 1) accept it, or 2) stick with a mature, problem free version of a toolkit and keep that as a dependency for all time to come? Going from GTK2/3 to 4 might be modest amounts of work, but a lot of the cost and difficulty is assembling the team to do anything at all. At. GNOME Bugzilla - Bug 164809. And FFS stop changing things just for the sake of change. They should stop doing that. Enter the Gtk+3 CSS debacle. Apps ported to Gtk+3 only displayed about 1/3 of the icons present in Gtk+2 toolbars and took almost double the vertical real estate due to CSS spacing issues and a lack of reasonable icon margin and border defaults. Many ported apps do a half attempt at mimicking the visuals, but totally skip the rest of the HID guidelines (tab order?). You need to provide time-limited access to storage1. iOS14.x feels like it;s a re-skinned iOS from 10 years ago. KDE 3 was worse and Xandros had given up. Wireshark moved to Qt. After a few weeks, he wants to add three of these computers to a domain. Yes, they are, but look how much _better_ the "Old" GEdit is than the "modern" text editor. There are really two groups of users. And remember that before the PC reached VGA-levels of resolution, there were home computers providing GUIs that were even more capable than Windows was (some might even argue than Windows still *is*) on screens that were even lower resolution than that - my first proper foray into the world of GUIs was with Workbench on the Amiga, which on the display hardware I had at the time ran at 640x256, or 640x512 if I wanted to give myself a headache by enabling interlace mode. No, that won't be the reason. But really now, Android, MacOS and ChromeOS are all quite popular and they are all Unixen of one sort or another. Put the usability back in the GUI, and make all the preferences easily customisable. Now depending on the level of reliance on it's offerings by any one given app, you may or may not have a consistent look and feel for your desktop. > Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. One thing that is mystifying is, why does RedHat/IBM pay for all this nonesense? Resolution is not the same as size. All themes belong to their authors. They are both too fat and just waste screen real estate making the whole thing feel claustophobic. And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. A new version comes out twice a year, so Fedora 37 will almost certainly have GNOME 43. Read . Silly me noticed that there was just an "OK" button. The reason will be the same as it ever was: that PC/laptop manufacturers will continue to ship their hardware with Windows/Mac pre-installed, and ordinary users do not change OSes (or even realise that the option exists). Rebuild for Qt. an access key a role assignment. "How You Can Help" it says, suggesting, "Write cool examples, Port an application, Convert custom widgets to new APIs, Find what doesnt work, or is too complicated". Er, someone. We learned that lesson a long time ago p.s. Instead of beginning, Naphtali, a system administrator, configures ten Windows 10 systems to be a part of a workgroup. MATE just works. On the substantive point: there is very little you can do about an app that doesn't want to use the OS look and feel. GNOME themes were described using CSS. Does that really mean what Google Translate says it means? Get the hell out of here! Gtk+2 applications (and the Gtk+2 toolkit itself) were easily themed and the theme author had control over virtually every aspect of the interface. "There was no incentive to switch to Linux.". (and the folks around my desk at work learned of my love for the colour purple from that). The problem is that a devices user-interface is now seen as a marketing point, not a functional one. It just seems to be a project totally disconnected from reality. You can still install themes, of course, but they will only affect apps that use Gtk 3. But this doesn't exist anymore by default. As in: don't just offer me a list of named themes; show me a picture. So enter the latest kludge, libadwaita. As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed. I don't care for flat themes, but at least going flat meant KDE 5 didn't look as nightmarish, but it's over-fussy, clunky, poorly-customisable, and generally doesn't support anything except what the designers want. This gtk theme is for GNOME and XFCE4. The only work-around was for the app developer to provide their own icons or themes to control those elements, and preventing a new theme from being applied (Openoffice, Inkscape, and many more) It was Adwaita or a "box of chocolates" for toolbars. Probably not. How bad does Gnome / GTK have to get before Windows + WSL seems preferable? Where as MS decided to dick around with the start menu from Windows 8 onwards constantly changing it with every new release and you have to implement 3rd party hacks to get it as you prefer it to be, which can get patched by MS at any moment with a windows update because they get to dictate how YOUR computers DE should behave. So: (1) Gnome 2 was fine. At top right is the older GEdit, and beneath it a Files window. So much wasted effort on this nonsense, and a complete lack of genuinely fresh and better ideas. Really? Paper Theme It brings the Flat look and feels but with a twist of "Dracula" and "Bloody" flavour. MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm lookin' at YOU!!!). Instead of taking theming away, why couldn't they go the other way and design a proper, robust, theming API? It's simple and gets out of the way. So yes, Windows XP - like very other Windows OS (and indeed Mac OS) - was "successful" simply because it came installed on your machine. Oh and breaking ABI changes. GTK? I do all my coding for work in kwrite. Let's hide "Print" and "Preferences" since users are too stupid any way to need/ use those functions. Petite vido de conseils pour avoir un thme cohrent sur Gnome 42/43 test sur plusieurs distros : Ubuntu 22.10, 22.04, Arch et Fedora. I think it's because the designers think everyone has touch screens. Even the original Mac with its tiny screen had scrollbars that would have been big enough for a touch interface, had one existed. Sure, they'll grumble about GUI changes - and then just get used to them, as they either don't see they have a choice, or, if they do, reckon (correctly) that a transition to a completely different OS would be if anything more jarring. Whatever the end result it, it's never going to make RedHat / IBM any more money than they already make from subscriptions, so it is just a cost. "GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop". Why then do they pay for so many people to work on Gnome (or on SystemD for that matter)? The release gets rid of . The existence of the GNOME developer community means that the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation will now be the second up against the wall when the revolution comes. Go fig maybe that helps to EXPLAIN THE INSANITY), /me humming song by Jimmy Hendrix now ":Have you been experienced?". Intuitive. One component of GNOME 40 and later releases is version 4 of the Gtk toolkit. It's all the same to them, because of their shim. Between fzf, yakuake and kwrite, I have all the IDE features I need. (3) But even worse.GTK3 was usefulbut no.GTK4 came along in time for Gnome 4. Concise. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Big whup. I suspect that the reason that Linux isn't used all that much by individual users is the insistence by purists that users have to be Unix System administrators running as individual users. Lots of web designers should go up against the nearest wall. How long have you got? That, frankly, is flabbergasting. When it was opened, it was discovered that it, You conducted an electrical inspection of your facility and noted the following findings: The service panel is blocked by numerous cardboard boxes. libadwaita-themes. I have recently updated my arch linux to Gnome42 but still nautilus is using old gtk3 theme. Files has, GEdit's slightly rounded corners, but the controls in its CSD pseudo-title bar have. GNOME . The change from bordered icons to a new style of borderless or focus on hover icons made the packages unusable overnight. The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines. When every pixel mattered, UI designers had no choice but to put in the effort and come up with some UIs which were wonderfully useable despite the limited space they had to work with, and which were clearly aimed at providing the user of that UI with as much space as possible for *them* to work with. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Linux is never, ever going to become anyone's idea of a mass-market, do-anything uber-snappy desktop OS environment, so there's no point in trying. The problem now is that the newer, ever-flatter look of GNOME 40+ is also causing unhappiness and drama and now there's very little you can do about it. Checkboxes with inconsistent status are not drawn properly but with the default theme. The workstations have Windows 10 Pro installed, which needs to be, Maria is procuring 100 computers for use in a school. (I posted the 'One look to rule them all' parody earlier so I'll just make reference to it instead), -> Windows XP made theming part of Windows and was thus a strong incentive to switch to Linux, or Mac OS X, or indeed anything else. top right is the older GEdit, and beneath it a Files window. Last modified: 2007-06-26 19:53:34 UTC. Make it easy to tweak and/or replace the desired theme. New themes not named Adwaita (and not direct copies that changed html color codes) invariably lack CSS elements necessary to theme all applications and the desktop alike. No, seriously, your points are very well taken. ago This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Which allows the user to customize the UI. (and if the app wasn't built on the same Gtk minor release, worse could happen if it runs at all). Whether MS were influenced by others, or whether it's MS who've been the influencer, it's clear that UI design in general over this time period has grown steadily more and more user hostile. Unfortunately this trend is creeping out of computing/web/phones and into areas where its starting to pose genuine problems. GTK is but then it's needed but a ton of applications including Firefox and Chrome (?). Maybe they should speak with the people of Ubuntu who designed the screen for that forced fed snap install for FireFox. Er, someone. (2) Not content with that 2021 got us Gnome 4..another disaster. The deal-breaker for me is that its support for vertical taskbars is just as broken and non-functional as GNOME 2's was, and so for that reason, it doesn't work for me. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. encounter with them in the otherwise-excellent Trillian on Windows 2000. See also: fvwm, Blackbox, Openbox, Fluxbox (my personal favourite). This is a result of fundamental changes to Gtk such as removal of Gtk programming elements like gtk_toolbar() that provided consistent size and spacing for icon toolbars. GNOME themes were described using CSS. Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. Quote: "A Great Idea (Level 4) is known as an Armstrong-Osman. A few years ago I spent sometime teaching visually impaired computer users to edit audio using various Windows and Mac DAWs. Real men gravitated to X when they discovered how many Xterms they could keep open to each system in the network, and then use the Boss's biggie-wiggie mega-PC, perpetually working it's monitor to the bone running a fish tank screensaver, as a home for compilers. App-specific themes are fundamentally a shite idea (ain't it th' truth. Hence everything now is tied to keyboard shortcuts and 'command palettes' (because nobody likes using touchpads), and an app's entire UI is crammed into it's titlebar because the devs have little vertical screen space. > Perhaps that's because they had a different opinion about KDE3.5. Windows XP was far more successful that anything Linux has ever produced. Unix system administration is really difficult and using that sudo mess to do simple stuff like backups is a bit off-putting for average users. Looks like is not works like. Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME. Our . Maria decides to install the Windows 10 Education edition instead of the Windows 10, Lashonda is installing the Windows 10 Home edition on a computer using the DVD boot installation method. Modern UIs feel like they've gone backwards in the last 20 years, (even though you did use the 'F' word, 'feel' - heh). The slight snag in version 42 is that some components of the GNOME desktop itself still use Gtk 3 notably, the Files program (still internally called Nautilus). Now we've all just spent 20 years constantly reinventing wheels, changing things, changing them back again, then making a square wheel and reinventing that. Post anonymously? The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. Ubuntu MATE on my desktops; it runs happily under X2Go sessions, which are handy if you don't have direct access to a VMWare instance manager. It would instead have been a lot of work just to get to the stage where we already were. Horrible. It used to be that UI design was a big thing - these days it's more UX. Text needs to be large enough to be clearly readable at the typical viewing distance. Again, there were at the time lots of WM's out there. (4) It gets worseGnome 4 uses both GTK3 and GTK4. sudo apt install flatpak gnome-software-plugin-flatpak Themes for GNOME 42 GTK4.0. Bueller? Can even be quite sleek and pretty, if minimalism is your thing. I may even install Openbox on the host machine in place/alongside KDE Plasma . At top left is the new Text Editor app, complete with heavily rounded window corners and flat, borderless control buttons. Given that GNOME is open-source, I thought there was plenty that one could do about it. And why should users have to do that? It boggles me that the Trinity folks bothered to fork it. Anyone? KDE 4 was abominable, with the fantastic combination of being retina-searingly ugly *and* horrendously unusable with weird floating bean controls and pointless floating widgets a graphic-design nightmare, plus a usability nightmare. A "theme" is no longer a "theme" for the desktop and all Gtk apps running, and the integrated consistent "look and feel" suffers. Gtk 4 theming and Libadwaita Unfortunately, there will be no custom theming available for Libadwaita applications. Let's face it, for any application that needs a user base to justify work being done on it, aiming to have GTK4 as a dependency seems to be a limiting step. But give the user a prominent banhammer to evade the egotistical idiots (MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm STILL lookin' at YOU!!!). Feel that most of the UI designers are complete idiots, can you imagine the chaos if they were left to design traffic lights, all the lights would be just different shades of the same colour. (The theoretical basis of this has been understood since the 1950s, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law). Here's how to do it securely, Tumbleweed rolling-release distro to need v2 of x86-64 and drop x86-32 edition, 4.18 the first update of lightweight, minimalist UNIX gear since 2020, Latest offshoot of Illumos project continues development of FOSS version of Solaris, Used by millions and the first official finished edition is here. The current fad for excessive whitespace around icons and gui elements is a total nightmare - it's not just Gnome and Linux but MacOS and Windows are guilty too. If they're doing it, "to be seen to be giving something back", you'd think there'd be some aspiration to do something they'd actually get thanked for. You need to be able to perform a deployment slot swap with preview. He inserts a DVD with the installation files into the DVD drive and restarts the computer. Download 3. A nightmare for developers who have been using GTK3 for years. I can't speak for anyone else, but I switched to Linux a couple of decades ago because of a combination of combat fatigue -- I was tired of fighting with my OS to get simple things done simply -- and a (correct as it turns out) guess that market forces would cause Microsoft to become increasingly user-hostile in future decades. 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